ΠΟΛΕΜΟΣ εταιρειων πιστοποιησης.
18/01/17 19:59:17
5 λεπτα 1833-1912 : NGC 570
pcgs 5 λεπτα 1833-1912 : 600
pcgs 10 λεπτα: 550
pcgs 5 λεπτα 1833-1912 : 600
pcgs 10 λεπτα: 550
18/01/17 20:02:47
χμ η NGC εχει και μετέπειτα νομισματα, θα το διορθώσω
edit: Το διόρθωσα
edit: Το διόρθωσα
18/01/17 21:17:59
Η NGC έχει πιστοποιήσει 14.558 Ελληνικά και 1.196 Κρητικά. Η PCGS δεν βρίσκω αντίστοιχη πληροφορία.
Και μερικά ακόμη:
USA 24.666.168
China 1.920.157
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-GB 207.222
Russia 134.557
Και μερικά ακόμη:
USA 24.666.168
China 1.920.157
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-
-GB 207.222
Russia 134.557
18/01/17 21:25:55
18/01/17 21:36:40
Μπορει να εκανα λάθος στην NGC, στην PCGS το ίδιο λέμε.
Αρα μεγαλύτερο αριθμό πιστοποιημένων κατά 100 και μισα απο την PCGS με βαθμο 64 και πάνω.
Αρα μεγαλύτερο αριθμό πιστοποιημένων κατά 100 και μισα απο την PCGS με βαθμο 64 και πάνω.
19/01/17 09:51:50
crossover ,μεσω NCS, εχω δει προσωπικα αλλαγες βαθμων προς τα πανω.Τα σλαμπ ηταν και Pcgs kai NGC. Προσφατο παραδειγμα 58αρι PCGS σε 61 ΝGC. To θεμα ειναι οτι ηξερα απο πριν οτι τα συγκεκριμενα ,ειτε ngc ειτε pcgs, ηταν υποβαθμολογημενα. Γι αυτο αλλωστε τα εστειλα. Τωρα με την κριση στελνω ποια κερματα μονο αν το αξιζουν αφου τα λεφτα για τα διδακτρα, μου εχουν προ καιρου τελειωσει.
19/01/17 10:08:35
Τωρα οσο αφορα τις εταιριες αφου στελνω κερματα και στις δυο,στην NGC μονος μου -στην pcgs μεσω dealer, δεν εχω διαπιστωσει inflation grade απο την PCGS. Moνο αρκετα σκαμπανεβασματα κατα καιρους. Η NGC ειναι αρκετα ποιο σταθερη.
Στα ελληνικα νομισματα ειναι αληθεια οτι απο 2007 που ασχολουμαι εχω διαπιστωσει μια μεγαλη πτωση στις τιμες που εχουν σχεση με τoυς βαθμους σε μικρομεσαια νομισματα που με ενδιαφερουν κιολας. Αυτο βεβαια εχει να κανει και με την κριση σιγουρα, αλλα και με το οτι η παρουσια της pcgs στο παρισι την εκαναν πιο προσιτη σε ελληνες συλλεκτες. Π.χ παρουσαστηκαν πολλοι ποσειδωνες και δημητρες σε ms62-ms63.Πολλα ταλληρα Γεωργιου σε βαθμους au50-ms61
Στα ελληνικα νομισματα ειναι αληθεια οτι απο 2007 που ασχολουμαι εχω διαπιστωσει μια μεγαλη πτωση στις τιμες που εχουν σχεση με τoυς βαθμους σε μικρομεσαια νομισματα που με ενδιαφερουν κιολας. Αυτο βεβαια εχει να κανει και με την κριση σιγουρα, αλλα και με το οτι η παρουσια της pcgs στο παρισι την εκαναν πιο προσιτη σε ελληνες συλλεκτες. Π.χ παρουσαστηκαν πολλοι ποσειδωνες και δημητρες σε ms62-ms63.Πολλα ταλληρα Γεωργιου σε βαθμους au50-ms61
20/01/17 01:45:20
(18/01/17 19:34:06)haros Έγραψε: Γιωργο εχει να κανει και με ποσα κομματια απο το καθε νομισμα εχουν πιστοποιηθει συνολικα σε καθε εταιρεια.(για να βγει καποιο συμπερασμα, Αν βγει).Λαμπρό παράδειγμα το 5 λεπτο του 1895.... αν δεν κάνω λάθος πήγαν σχεδόν δύο Μασουρια μονοκοπανιά...
Η πχ καποιος μπορει να ειχε καποιο "μασουρι" απο καποιο δυσκολο νομισμα και να τα εστειλε μονο στην μια εταιρεια για πιστοποιηση.
Παντως εχω την αισθηση ( ο Γιωργος Κ. η ο digo ας με διορθωσουν εαν κανω λαθος) οτι ειναι περισσοτερα τα Ελληνικα νομισματα που εχουν πιστοποιηθει στην PCGS, παρα στην NGC, (σε συνολικο αριθμο εννοω), ολα αυτα τα χρονια που στελνονται Ελληνικα νομισματα για πιστοποιηση, για διαφορους πρακτικους λογους.
20/01/17 14:41:46
η απαντηση του Don Willis προεδρου της PCGS
PCGS is the world’s leading grading service for many reasons, most importantly because we operate with a level of transparency and objectivity that is unmatched in the industry. PCGS has always been and will continue to be the most effective Consumer Protection advocate in the coin market.
PCGS is also a tough competitor. We set the standard for third party grading 30 years ago. Every other grading service has attempted to copy that standard and has been playing a game of catch up for all these years. Mark Salzberg, Chairman of NGC, recently published an open letter wherein he attempted to smear PCGS and strike fear in the hearts of collectors.
In regards to increasing populations, first of all we confess to being the most popular grading service. We process many more Vintage coins than NGC. Secondly, populations rarely go down. There are always hidden collections, accumulations or hoards that come out. As Mr. Salzberg probably knows but failed to mention, there have been several original rolls of 1912-S 5c that have come to the market in the past few years. In 2016 PCGS handled at least 2 fresh rolls of gem 1912-S 5c. These rolls were handled by some of the most knowledgeable dealers in the business. We are proud of the fact that these individuals, who have great insight in to the coin market, chose PCGS to grade their coins.
Another phenomena contributing to increased PCGS populations is our crossover service. Many collectors and dealers who own coins graded by other grading services attempt to cross their coins into PCGS holders. As a matter of fact many dealers deliberately buy NGC coins and cross them to PCGS at a lower grade, subsequently selling them at a profit. Simply look at many of the coins sold in the recent Newman and Partrick auctions by Heritage and you can see for yourself how many have already been crossed over.
PCGS graders have over 250 years of experience. All of our grading is done through a sophisticated grading system which reflects this knowledge and was developed over 30 years of operational experience. The market’s confidence in PCGS graded coins is greater than ever. As we recently reported all of the top 20 coins sold in auction during 2016 were graded by PCGS. As we have also reported, over 80% of all CAC coins sold in recent auctions were PCGS coins. CAC is a respected independent organization with no ties to PCGS yet based on public information 4 out of 5 coins they approve have been graded by PCGS.
We can assure every collector and dealer around the world that PCGS has always been, and always will be, committed to providing the most accurate and impartial grading in the market.
Sincerely,
Don Willis
PCGS is the world’s leading grading service for many reasons, most importantly because we operate with a level of transparency and objectivity that is unmatched in the industry. PCGS has always been and will continue to be the most effective Consumer Protection advocate in the coin market.
PCGS is also a tough competitor. We set the standard for third party grading 30 years ago. Every other grading service has attempted to copy that standard and has been playing a game of catch up for all these years. Mark Salzberg, Chairman of NGC, recently published an open letter wherein he attempted to smear PCGS and strike fear in the hearts of collectors.
In regards to increasing populations, first of all we confess to being the most popular grading service. We process many more Vintage coins than NGC. Secondly, populations rarely go down. There are always hidden collections, accumulations or hoards that come out. As Mr. Salzberg probably knows but failed to mention, there have been several original rolls of 1912-S 5c that have come to the market in the past few years. In 2016 PCGS handled at least 2 fresh rolls of gem 1912-S 5c. These rolls were handled by some of the most knowledgeable dealers in the business. We are proud of the fact that these individuals, who have great insight in to the coin market, chose PCGS to grade their coins.
Another phenomena contributing to increased PCGS populations is our crossover service. Many collectors and dealers who own coins graded by other grading services attempt to cross their coins into PCGS holders. As a matter of fact many dealers deliberately buy NGC coins and cross them to PCGS at a lower grade, subsequently selling them at a profit. Simply look at many of the coins sold in the recent Newman and Partrick auctions by Heritage and you can see for yourself how many have already been crossed over.
PCGS graders have over 250 years of experience. All of our grading is done through a sophisticated grading system which reflects this knowledge and was developed over 30 years of operational experience. The market’s confidence in PCGS graded coins is greater than ever. As we recently reported all of the top 20 coins sold in auction during 2016 were graded by PCGS. As we have also reported, over 80% of all CAC coins sold in recent auctions were PCGS coins. CAC is a respected independent organization with no ties to PCGS yet based on public information 4 out of 5 coins they approve have been graded by PCGS.
We can assure every collector and dealer around the world that PCGS has always been, and always will be, committed to providing the most accurate and impartial grading in the market.
Sincerely,
Don Willis
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